Episode 43 · Season 10

Light Doesn't Travel the Way We Thought | A Conversation That Changes Everything

By Billy Carson · June 29, 2026 · 48 min

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Billy Carson continues a conversation with polymath and entrepreneur Robert Grant, who describes himself as a music theorist, mathematician and researcher into Egyptology and mysticism, and outlines the argument of his book Fractal Holographic Universe. Grant contends that light and dark are opposite conditions of the same underlying phenomenon rather than the presence and absence of light, and argues, citing physicist Max Planck and Plato's allegory of the cave, that reality functions more like a subjective, mental construct than a fixed material universe. He connects this to the Hermetic principle that the universe is mind, and cites 2022 Nobel Prize-winning physics research on quantum entanglement as evidence that local realism, the classical assumption of an independent objective reality, does not hold. Grant also describes his research collaboration with physicist Sylvester James Gates Jr. on supersymmetry and supergravity, and argues matter appears pixelated at small enough scales, suggesting the universe operates as a frame-by-frame hologram rather than continuous space.

Topics: Robert Grant, holographic universe, quantum physics, Hermetic philosophy, consciousness

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